Scene mode: "scene off" = "scene 0"?

dmitch

What's the relationship between using (and editing) a preset with scene mode off, vs. scene mode on? It looks to me like, when using a preset, "scene mode off" is essentially a fifth scene, or "Scene 0". Each scene can be different from the settings I see when scene mode is off. Is that right? I.e. "Scene mode off" is basically "Scene 0"?

Also - what can and cannot be edited when in scene mode? When in scene mode, for example I can add or modify a Mic when viewing the Cab, but I can't change the Cab Model. That seems sort of arbitrary...is there a description somewhere as to what can and cannot be done in scene mode?

Since all of the scenes can be different from the settings you see when scene mode is off, is there a way to specify "when I select this preset, go to scene mode and into scene 1"? If I edit four scenes, often I'd like for one of them to be the default for the preset. But it looks to me like, when you load a preset, scene mode is always off.

@dmitch The scenes are subsets of the preset. So, there is a Preset 1, then scene 1a, 1b, 1c, and 1d. If you change settings in the preset itself, it propagates to all the scenes as well, whereas changing available settings in a scene doesn't propagate to the host preset or the other scenes. Insomuch as there are 5 different settings per preset, then you could look at it like Preset 1 = Scene 0, but that's not really what's happening. It's actually better for Scene 1 of any preset to be identical to its host preset, for logistical reasons.

When you load a preset, you are doing just that--loading the preset itself, not a scene within a preset. If you want a scene within a preset to be the default, then I suggest changing the host preset itself to match the settings you want to be the default and then make scenes from that preset instead.

dmitch

@myxolydian said in Scene mode: "scene off" = "scene 0"?:

It's actually better for Scene 1 of any preset to be identical to its host preset, for logistical reasons.

Help me understand....why is this better?

If you want a scene within a preset to be the default, then I suggest changing the host preset itself to match the settings you want to be the default and then make scenes from that preset instead.

It would be super-helpful if one could save a given scene as the default preset, or even better, as a whole new preset. Suppose I work with the scenes of a given preset a lot, editing them, making lots of changes, and eventually I decide that it's best for one of the scenes to be its own preset. It would be great if you could just save "save scene as new preset"...

@dmitch said in Scene mode: "scene off" = "scene 0"?:

It's actually better for Scene 1 of any preset to be identical to its host preset, for logistical reasons.

Help me understand....why is this better?

When the main Preset and Scene 1 are identical , Scene 1 then would act as a Scene Mode On toggle without the sound changing at all during live play.

As it stands, turning Scene Mode on immediately puts you into Scene 1, so it's currently not just a Scene Mode On toggle, its a "Scene Mode On and Scene 1 on" toggle. Keeping Scene 1 and the main preset identical ~~fixes~~ works around this problem.

"...Suppose I work with the scenes of a given preset a lot, editing them, making lots of changes, and eventually I decide that it's best for one of the scenes to be its own preset. It would be great if you could just save "save scene as new preset"..."

I like that idea a lot, makes for very easy preset creation.