Does anybody gig with BIAS FX on iPad?
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@pipelineaudio Thanks for info - got it. As far as U44 goes I think that problem is much more fundamental and not DAW related - surely Tracktion acts a bit weird when it comes to setting rate and buffer size - you can control them from Traction if you use Audiobox but with U44 the only way is to start control panel from Traction - quit Tracktion then modify U44 settings and restart Tracktion. A bit annoying but not a major issue.
But all that is not important because as it is U44 is not capable of handling the simplest task of MP3 playback - if I set U44 to be default playback device and start media player then you het a skip/hiccup every 10 secs on average. No matter what settings you choose for U44. Nothing like that is present for Audiobox - it never skips. So yes - that problem will not get resolved with deep dive in DPC. I tried the very frist thing that Sweetwater suggested and updated my NVidia driver but I made no difference. I tried all the high performance power settings. Disabled networking and unplugged everything (including second monitor). Not one iota of improvement. -
From what I've seen of the UAC-2 and the U24, it is one of the most capable USB devices currently on the planet, assuming the same sort of drivers i nthe U44 as the U24, which I would have very good reason to assume.
I also wouldnt be surprised one bit if Zoom chose to not give one single solitary crap about WDM/KS/Waveout performance as they would likely be assuming that you will force all of your system sounds through the onboard soundcard and leave the Zoom for critical stuff
However, I've seen the Zoom UAC-2 capable of multiclient so maybe they didnt.
Try that thing in a different DAW, see what happens....any sensible daw is going to be less than a 30 second download, maybe a minute to setup and then test.
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wait a second though, since I cant tell which subforum we are on from the forum software, is this an ipad you are running this stuff on? I wouldnt assume the latency checkers and stuff would work on that but I just want to be sure
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@pipelineaudio said in Does anybody gig with BIAS FX on iPad?:
wait a second though, since I cant tell which subforum we are on from the forum software, is this an ipad you are running this stuff on? I wouldnt assume the latency checkers and stuff would work on that but I just want to be sure
No it is Win 10 machine - Lenovo Thinkpad P50.
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Has anyone used the XTONE Xsonic? I m really considering it.
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Looked pretty neat! I looked a few weeks ago, but couldn’t find any drivers or even a website for the stuff
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They sell it directly. I emailed them their site is xsonic.cc
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Ahh thanks! I was searching a few weeks ago and could only find ads
I grabbed the manual, looks like ASIO4All...
I would avoid this product like the plague, they aren;t the only ones who do this, but really if a company can't be bothered to spend the time on a basic driver, how many corners do you think they cut on the hardware? (I'm looking at you IK Multimedia!"
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Well I m just using Bias apps on the ipad/iphone. Does it matter threre? I have the irig HD 2 which it does not have dedicaded drivers also but works very well on the ipad/iphone.
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@mehegama said in Does anybody gig with BIAS FX on iPad?:
Well I m just using Bias apps on the ipad/iphone. Does it matter threre? I have the irig HD 2 which it does not have dedicaded drivers also but works very well on the ipad/iphone.
I could be speaking out of turn but do ANY hardware has "dedicated driver" on iPad?
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Exactly that s what i m saying.
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A lot of these products are sold as dual use, computer/ios
If its just for ipad, its probably ok, like you say, the Irig HD2 performs ok on iOS, despite ASIO 4 ALL on windows
However, if you compare these products' iOS performance to dual use products that DO have drivers written for them on desktop, they get smoked, not just on the desktop, but on iOS as well....for instance, focusrite, and SonomaWireworks. I forget the exact numbers, but from what I remember the SWW was something like 5msec less latent at low latency settings than the iRig
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Indeed I agree. Though this one has 24bit/192 encoding plus 3 stomp box midi switches so it would be perfect for latency.
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given all else being equal, then doubling the sample rate can halve the latency. However not everything is equal.
The hidden safety buffers in your particular interface's iOS "driver" are going to play a huge factor in the baseline round trip latency.
More than that, the quality of the code that handles the interface (I don't know if its right to call it a driver in iOS but it serves the same function) is going to determine the lowest USABLE round trip latency the interface can perform at.
How many interfaces have we seen that choke at 256 samples on a project another interface can handle at 64 samples with ease?
In general, and honestly, I've never seen this not be the case, but for sure it could be, the drivers with the lower round trip latency can handle lower latencies before failure. They also, to every single case tested, use less resources at any given sample rate and/or sample buffer size compared to the slower drivers
This is why I take so critically a look at how the software works on any given interface.
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Thanks for the detailed answer! given your work with all these devices if you get one please add a review it to your very detailed blog article. I think I ll wait a bit until more stuff come out about it.
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@mehegama
"①XTONE is a high-performance mobile audio interface, designed for the next-generation effect APPs, like JamUp, BIAS AMP, BIAS FX. XTONE's excellent audio performance gives you the best experience of using these APPs. XTONE can be directly powered by your phone and have 3 foot switch and 1 expression pedal for playing control; ②XTONE provides 192KHz sampling rate and 118dB dynamic rang, This is unique in all mobile audio interface, that makes XTONE have the best sound. XTONE + APP has been able to replace the flagship hardware effect. ③XTONE provides foot switch and expression pedal, can switch the preset, control the volume, control the wah-wah and so on. ④XTONE uses a professional XSPEED acceleration processing technology, make the latency much lower than the similar products. "Sounds like a clear winner in Great Audio Intergalactic Interface War. Could you kindly post your impressions when you get?
Some info here: https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/xsonic-xtone-smart-stomp-audio-interface-pedal.1878034/
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Given that religious topics are probably highly discouraged in this forum, I'm just going to leave it at I don't believe recording at 192khz is going to result in any better audio (though processing it there could yield drastic benefits in anti-aliasing, though again, the source material could be at 44khz and have exactly the same effect, as long as the processing is done at the higher rate, something that zillions of plugins and dsp already do right now)
What is going to matter is what the actual measured round trip latency at the lowest usable buffer size
I'm not knocking this product, I love its features, but it comes down to testing, and so far, nobody has bucked the trend that dual use (iOS/desktop) products with custom ASIO drivers outperform, every single time and in every measurable way, those without custom asio drivers, not just on the desktop, but on iOS as well
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For anyone really wanting to dive deep on the sample rate thing, this is a long, frustrating, but eventually revelatory read http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/441389/George_Watch_this_96k
and a quite a bit shorter version https://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
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I did a video a while back related to this, and found really that 4x oversampling (processing the audio at above even the 192khz in this case) didn't help as much as you might think
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@pipelineaudio
Hey no need for religious war - I was merely happy to reproduce XTONE ad blurb - I am not a native speaker but some of the constructs in it sounded a bit foreign to my ear. Either way it is rather intriguing box. Thanks for links - I am familiar with Neil Young's anti CD stance.